John and Jed have been making music together since sharing a music stand in the 4th grade saxophone section of Ward Elemtary school. Loren is a good friend from college. He played in John's first 2 real improvised music projects, a full improv psychedelic/ noise rock band, and then a sax and drums free jazz duo. Jed and Loren have only played together once and that was in a larger group.